Article Discussion! Join in on the Conversation!

Hey everyone! I ran across a really interesting article last night. I invite you to check out the below link and join me in a conversation over it in the comment section. Written by the Director of Astrobiology at Columbia University, there are a lot of uncanny resemblances from some ‘far-out’ cosmological and biological questions the author raises and the Bible.

‘In other words, life might not just be in the equations. It might be the equations.’  – Caleb Scharf, astrophysicist & Director of Astrobiology, Columbia University

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God – John 1:1

I obviously do not believe aliens are responsible for the manipulation of the universe. I do find it very interesting that science is, just maybe, slowly inching its way back around to God. Find the article here!

Look forward to discussing! Bless you!!

Joel

 

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17 thoughts on “Article Discussion! Join in on the Conversation!

  1. What has that phrase to do with the manipulation of the universe? Is it not clear that this writer John talks about a word, which is a result of speaking? It simply says there was a word and there is a word, which is by God and it is part of God or is a god or highly placed.

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    1. Thank you for commenting. I appreciate your input! First, I think there may be some confusion here. The connecting point I was making was that the author posited that alien life could be so far evolved that it could be hiding in plain sight as a physical law of the universe. And that when we read one of Newton’s laws, we may be interacting with an alien lifeform. Now, I disagree with the author on the alien lifeform part, I was however, making a connection from the author’s theory that alien life could literally be wrapped up in words and sentences, representing the life force in the universe that is causing a physical law to occur over to John 1 where it says that the Word is God. I believe you are incorrect that this is what John was referring to. The Logos, the Word, was intended to be Christ in John’s language. Confusing to a modern day reader, yes, but read in context with the article it can be seen from a different, perhaps clearer, perspective. That Christ literally is the Word. Appreciate the comment and look forward to hearing your response. Cheers!

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      1. Yes I read it and I can see the connection also to the Word which is something which results from letting breath coming out the mouth. As such the Word is the Speaking of God and it is God’s power making it to be a Word, Him creating that Word and being that word, because He is not a person. Though in John it refers also to the high position of the one about whom God spoke, namely Jesus Christ, God His only begotten son, which many Christians have made not only into a god but into their god, even worse believing He is The God.

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      2. I think the confusion is the paradigm of thinking that ‘the Word is the Speaking of God,’ or rather more basely, that a word must in general be defined as something spoken by a living being…in this case, however, the author, whom I do not believe at all states he is associated with Christianity, is postulating that advanced life could be so different from us that it could take the form of physical laws, or words of a physical law.

        The belief that Christ is the Messiah, which I do believe by the way, is a separate argument, tangential to the connection I was making…that advanced life past human could take the firm of a word. God, in my opinion, would most certainly qualify for that description and based on John 1, gives a new viewpoint of what is meant by God being the Logos.

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      3. Believing that Christ is the Messiah is not the same as believing Christ is God. Christ or Kristos means being a saviour or Messiah, is it not? And is not written that that sent one from God, about whom God said it is His only begotten son, is the Way to God, and as such not the way to himself.

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      4. I have to disagree there. First, I’m currently a student in a Koine Greek class and I read, write and speak Hebrew. Χριστός (transliterated ‘Christos’ or ‘Christ’ in modern English) is the Koine Greek name that was original used to translate the Hebrew name מָשִׁיחַ (translit Mashiyach or ‘Messiah’ in modern English). The Hebrew name מָשִׁיחַ means “Annointed One.” There is a plethora of scriptural references in the Old Testament and orthodox Judaism that refer to the Messiah as God, more specifically the Son of God. (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:4; Isaiah 7:14; 9:6). And actually the Isaiah 7:14 verse is probably the most telling because this is where the Messiah is called Immanuel, עִמָּנוּאֵל. which means “God with us” or “God is with us.” So one of the names the Old Testament specifically called the Messiah, Immanuel, was calling out the fact that God is the Messiah himself. He is “God with us” in the flesh of the anticipated Messiah, which became Christos in the Greek, which is today’s Christ. Isaiah 9:6 continues this with explicitly tying in the Messiah as God himself in flesh, “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

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      5. So you think when a person is called Immanuel, עִמָּנוּאֵל that person has to be Gdo. Therefore god walks on this earth under the disguise of many people, like my brother (who has that name).
        Also when people say it is a mighty god that must mean he is the Most High God and as such Mohammed Ali the boxer is God, because he is called a mighty god?
        Also lovely to hear god is so musical and came down to bring us rock and roll, but why does Elvis Presley his pictures only appear in the Elvis Presley churches, where he is honoured by several as their god, whilst others take Jesus to be their god and again others take Jehovah or Yahweh as their god?

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      6. I see what you are getting at here, why take Jesus to be God when one could arbitrarily pick anyone who shares that name and assume they are God instead. Honestly, I don’t think it’s much of a secret that faith is a very critical component of Christianity. I could walk you through a lot of historical evidence of Jesus and you may or may not accept that evidence as legitimate, or you may provide counter evidence. At that point, I really can’t offer you much other than faith.

        The critical component of Christianity is faith. I believe Jesus was and is God. I believe he died for my sins and that he rose on the third day. And the testimony I have about him I accept as true. You may or may not accept that. I also can’t quantify the intimate knowledge I (and millions of other Christians) have of the Holy Spirit indwelling in us. I can’t put myself into a CT scan machine and show the world on a picture printout where the Spirit is residing. But I can testify that he does live in me. And that changes my entire life.

        I realize this probably hits a roadblock for someone that is only interested in facts. Somebody other than me might be able to delve a lot deeper into the evidence side, but even they at some point would say what I’m trying to convey, that without faith in Jesus, it just doesn’t work.I don’t think that jives with a scientific world who requires proof, but that’s how it is.

        Best to you.

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      7. Does the Bible not say God is eternal and as such can not die? And what would be the use of God faking His death?

        On the other hand the bible and the Quran tell us that Jesus is the Way to God. The Holy Scriptures, like the New testament and the Quran tell us he is the sent one from God and the Messiah. As such we should have faith in the infallible Word of God, is it not, that tells us that there is only One True God, the God of Israel. Jesus also worshipped the God of the patriarch Abraham. Why do Jesus his so called followers (Christians) not do that?

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      8. On the first paragraph…he did die. He died physically, not spiritually. And then rose from the grave 3 days later. The cross is Jesus taking the physical and spiritual punishment that would have been required of the sins of the world. He took it upon himself so that anyone who believed in him wpuld be forgiven of their sins, through the cross. That’s why the shedding of his blood is so important. That’s why his blood cleanses sins. It is blood that he shed as the sacrificial Lamb for us, just as when the Jews painted the blood over the doors at passover, which is a type imaging Jesus blood on his followers, cleaning them and allowing the just wrath of God to pass over them.

        On the second paragraph, the Jews were expecting the Messiah, who would be God in the flesh. He would be worshiped. The Jews were expecting to worship the Messiah when he came. So the worship of the Messiah is a solid doctrine in the Hebrew Bible. Jesus was the Messiah and so his followers worshiped him, as they were told to do in the Hebrew Bible.

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      9. Where do you get it from that Jews were expecting the Messiah, who would be God in the flesh. They werre and still are expecting the Messiah, but do know that it would be a sent one from God, like they are told in the Tanakh. They (except a few Jewish sects) would not believe in an incarnation, because that is an abomination in the eyes of God.

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      10. No that’s not true, I refer you back to my earlier comment on OT verses on the Messiah. They were absolutely looking for the Messiah in the flesh. They rejected Jesus as the Messiah which is why they are still looking for the Messiah.

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      11. Yes they were looking for the Messiah, it is a Saviour, in the flesh, which is not God in the flesh. And as you say they rejected Jesus as the Messiah,probably because he did not seemed to bring that salvation they were looking for, a liberation of the Romans and giving them their own land.

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      12. Agreed on their reason for rejecting Jesus as the Messiah because he wasn’t driving the Romans out of Israel – or at least that was a component of it.

        But please go back and look at my prior comment. They absolutely did believe the Messiah would be God in the flesh. ..or do you not remember our conversation on this thread from earlier about the meaning of the name Immanuel? Which means in Hebrew “God with us,” which is the name of Messiah, which is from Isaiah 7:14. I have already commented on this point from earlier, please reread for clarification.

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      13. I’m Jewish myself (not religiously, I’m a Christian, but my family is of Hebrew lineage. I also read, write and speak Hebrew) so I’m not exactly sure what that proves. Judaism has come a long ways in some forms since Judaism when Jesus was on earth. There are more liberal Judaic branches now. Also orthodox Judaism incorporates a lot of extra biblical teaching, eg the Talmud, that Christians do not incorporate into the spiritual literature that they read. So without knowing the details of the beliefs of the Jews you know of, eg orthodox, more liberal, etc, I can’t comment any further.

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